Wednesday, July 25, 2007

Why are Muslims leaving Islam?

Ergun Caner, the dean of Liberty Baptist Seminary, and his brother openly discuss why they left Islam in this rarely seen video.

57 comments:

Anonymous said...

hahahah...

peaple leaving islam?

joking right?

Anonymous said...

"That night they (both the daughters of Lot) gave him (their father Lot) wine to drink and the older daughter had INTERCOURSE with him ... "The next day the older daughter said to her sister, I slept with him last night. now let's get him drunk again tonight, and you sleep with him. Then each of us will have a child by our father. So that night they got him drunk and the younger daughter had INTERCOURSE with him ... "In this way both of Lot's daughters became PREGNANT by their father. " GENESIS 19:33-35


how abt this verse from the bible.
you people from united nations... wwhy dont you read your own scriptures before you read ours..!!!

Anonymous said...

Quran Surah 45 ayat 2-37

"The revelation of the Book (this Qur'ân) is from Allâh, the All-Mighty, the All-Wise.

Verily, in the heavens and the earth are signs for the believers.

And in your creation, and what He scattered (through the earth) of moving (living) creatures are signs for people who have Faith with certainty.

And in the alternation of night and day, and the provision (rain) that Allâh sends down from the sky, and revives therewith the earth after its death, and in the turning about of the winds (i.e. sometimes towards the east or north, and sometimes towards the south or west etc., sometimes bringing glad tidings of rain etc., and sometimes bringing the torment), are signs for a people who understand.

These are the Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, revelations, etc.) of Allâh, which We recite to you (O Muhammad SAW) with truth. Then in which speech after Allâh and His Ayât will they believe?

Woe to every sinful liar,

Who hears the Verses of Allâh (being) recited to him, yet persists with pride as if he heard them not. So announce to him a painful torment!

And when he learns something of Our Verses (this Qur'ân), he makes them a jest. For such there will be a humiliating torment.

In front of them there is Hell, and that which they have earned will be of no profit to them, nor (will be of any profit to them) those whom they have taken as Auliyâ' (protectors, helpers, etc.) besides Allâh. And theirs will be a great torment.

This (Qur'ân) is a guidance. And those who disbelieve in the Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) of their Lord, for them there is a painful torment of Rijz (a severe kind of punishment).

Allâh it is He Who has subjected to you the sea, that ships may sail through it by His Command, and that you may seek of His Bounty, and that you may be thankful,

And has subjected to you all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth; it is all as a favour and kindness from Him. Verily, in it are signs for a people who think deeply.

Say (O Muhammad SAW) to the believers to forgive those who (harm them and) hope not for the Days of Allâh (i.e. His Recompense), that He may recompense people according to what they have earned (i.e. to punish these disbelievers, who harm the believers).[]

Whosoever does a good deed, it is for his ownself, and whosoever does evil, it is against (his ownself). Then to your Lord you will be made to return.

And indeed We gave the Children of Israel the Scripture, and the understanding of the Scripture and its laws, and the Prophethood; and provided them with good things, and preferred them above the 'Alamîn (mankind and jinns) (of their time, during that period),

And gave them clear proofs in matters [by revealing to them the Taurât (Torah)]. And they differed not until after the knowledge came to them, through envy among themselves. Verily, Your Lord will judge between them on the Day of Resurrection about that wherein they used to differ.

Then We have put you (O Muhammad SAW) on a plain way of (Our) commandment [like the one which We commanded Our Messengers before you (i.e. legal ways and laws of the Islâmic Monotheism)]. So follow you that (Islâmic Monotheism and its laws), and follow not the desires of those who know not. [Tafsir At-Tabarî Vol. 25, Page 146].

Verily, they can avail you nothing against Allâh (if He wants to punish you). Verily, the Zâlimûn (polytheists, wrong-doers, etc.) are Auliyâ' (protectors, helpers, etc.) to one another, but Allâh is the Walî (Helper, Protector, etc.) of the Muttaqûn (pious - see V.2:2).

This (Qur'ân) is a clear insight and evidence for mankind, and a guidance and a mercy for people who have Faith with certainty[] .

Or do those who earn evil deeds think that We shall hold them equal with those who believe (in the Oneness of Allâh Islâmic Monotheism) and do righteous good deeds, in their present life and after their death? Worst is the judgement that they make.

And Allâh has created the heavens and the earth with truth, in order that each person may be recompensed what he has earned, and they will not be wronged[] .

Have you seen him who takes his own lust (vain desires) as his ilâh (god), and Allâh knowing (him as such), left him astray, and sealed his hearing and his heart, and put a cover on his sight. Who then will guide him after Allâh? Will you not then remember?

And they say: "There is nothing but our life of this world, we die and we live and nothing destroys us except Ad-Dahr (the time)[]. And they have no knowledge of it, they only conjecture.

And when Our Clear Verses are recited to them, their argument is no other than that they say: "Bring back our (dead) fathers, if you are truthful!"

Say (to them): "Allâh gives you life, then causes you to die, then He will assemble you on the Day of Resurrection about which there is no doubt. But most of mankind know not."

And to Allâh belongs the kingdom of the heavens and the earth. And on the Day that the Hour will be established, on that Day the followers of falsehood (polytheists, disbelievers, worshippers of false deities, etc.) shall lose (everything).

And you will see each nation humbled to their knees (kneeling), each nation will be called to its Record (of deeds). This Day you shall be recompensed for what you used to do.

This Our Record speaks about you with truth. Verily, We were recording what you used to do (i.e. Our angels used to record your deeds).

Then, as for those who believed (in the Oneness of Allâh Islâmic Monotheism) and did righteous good deeds, their Lord will admit them to His Mercy. That will be the evident success.

But as for those who disbelieved (it will be said to them): "Were not Our Verses recited to you? But you were proud, and you were a people who were Mujrimûn (polytheists, disbelievers, sinners, criminals)."

And when it was said: "Verily! Allâh's Promise is the truth, and there is no doubt about the coming of the Hour," you said;"We know not what is the Hour, we do not think it but as a conjecture, and we have no firm convincing belief (therein)."

And the evil of what they did will appear to them, and they will be completely encircled by that which they used to mock at!

And it will be said: "This Day We will forget you as you forgot the Meeting of this Day of yours. And your abode is the Fire, and there is none to help you."

This, because you took the revelations of Allâh (this Qur'ân) in mockery, and the life of the world deceived you. So this Day, they shall not be taken out from there (Hell)[], nor shall they be Yustâ'tabûn (i.e. they shall not return to the worldly life, so that they repent to Allâh, and beg His Pardon for their sins).

So all the praises and thanks are to Allâh, the Lord of the heavens and the Lord of the earth, and the Lord of the 'Alamîn (mankind, jinns and all that exists).

And His (Alone) is the Majesty in the heavens and the earth, and He is the All-Mighty, the All-Wise."

Anonymous said...

Use of Islamic Knowledge of Health and Hygiene Is a Must for All Muslims

Ayesah Ahmed

Use of western knowledge is kufr (blasphemy) and its parishioners are apostates and infidels. Only Islamic knowledge of health and hygiene must be used in daily life because Allah has already given that information through Prophet Mohammed for a reason. In Quran he said so many times that he is your role model. Ignoring his sayings is ignoring your deen (religion) punishable with hellfire

The following information is presented for the good health of Muslim umma (believers).

Avoid Sicknesses By Clean Islamic Habbits

HOW TO CLEAN YOURSELF AFTER DEFECATING, THE ISLAMIC WAY
Apostle of God used to clean himself after defecation using only odd number of stones. That is the sunna (examples set by Muhammad). Muslims living in U.S. can go to Home Depot and buy a bag of gravel for this purpose (the used gravel can be good landscaping material).

Bukhari Volume 1, Book 4, Number 163:

Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, " whoever cleans his private parts with stones should do so with odd numbers. And whoever wakes up from his sleep should wash his hands before putting them in the water for ablution, because nobody knows where his hands were during sleep."

NEVER USE BONES OR ANIMAL DUNG AFTER DEFECATING

Jinns love to eat bones and dried animal dung. They don�t appreciate the contamination of their favourite delicacy with fecal matter and can pounce on the next guy they find sitting and defecating.


Bukhari Volume 5, Book 58, Number 200:

Narrated Abu Huraira:
That once he was in the, company of the Prophet carrying a water pot for his ablution and for cleaning his private parts. While he was following him carrying it (i.e. the pot), The Prophet said, "Bring me stones in order to clean my private parts, and do not bring any bones or animal dung."

"What about the bone and the animal dung?" He said, "They are of the food of Jinns. The delegate of Jinns of (the city of) Nasibin came to me--and how nice those Jinns were--and asked me for the remains of the human food. I invoked Allah for them that they would never pass by a bone or animal dung but find food on them."

HOW TO URINATE

You must keep your right hand clean to hold Quran.

Bukhari Volume 1, Book 4, Number 156:
Narrated Abu Qatada:

The Prophet said, "Whenever anyone of you urinates he should not hold his penis or clean his private parts with his right hand.


WASH YOUR NOSE FROM INSIDE IN THE MORNING

In the morning wash your nose from inside as Satan urinates and defecates inside while spending the night there. Otherwise you will have runny nose all day besides possible nose infections.

Volume 4, Book 54, Number 516:

Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, "If anyone of you rouses from sleep and performs the ablution, he should wash his nose by putting water in it and then blowing it out thrice, because Satan has stayed in the upper part of his nose all the night."


WASH YOUR EARS FROM INSIDE IF YOU WAKE UP LATE

If you wake up late in the morning and miss the fajr prayer, Satan who spends the night in your nose walks out and urinates in your ears. It results in ear infection.


Bukhari Volume 2, Book 21, Number 245:
Narrated 'Abdullah :
A person was mentioned before the Prophet (p.b.u.h) and he was told that he had kept on sleeping till morning and had not got up for the prayer. The Prophet said, "Satan urinated in is ears."

Bukhari Volume 4, Book 54, Number 492:

Narrated 'Abdullah:
It was mentioned before the Prophet that there was a man who slept the night till morning (after sunrise). The Prophet said, "He is a man in whose ears (or ear) Satan had urinated."

OTHER GOOD HABBITS FOR GOOD HEALTH

Tabari II:99
�Abraham was tested with ten Islamic practices: rinsing the mouth, cleansing nostrils with water, trimming the mustache, using a toothstick, plucking the armpit (ouch), paring nails, washing finger joints, circumcision, shaving pubic hair, and washing the rear and vulva.�

WOMEN MUST BE SHAVED

A shaved woman makes a tired husband after a long journey very happy.

Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 173:

Narrated Jabir bin �Abdullah:
The Prophet said, �If you enter (your town) at night (after coming from a journey), do not enter upon your family till the woman whose husband was absent (from the house) shaves her pubic hair .�

WOMEN MUST BE CIRCUMCISED

Circumcision keeps a woman from doing hanky panky thus protecting her from hellfire.
Sunan Abu Dawud Book 41, Number 5251:

Narrated Umm Atiyyah al-Ansariyyah:
A woman used to perform circumcision in Medina . The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said to her: Do not cut severely as that is better for a woman and more desirable for a husband.

MENSTRUATION IS ILLNESS WHICH CAN BE CURED BY FONDLING

Menstruation is a sickness suffered by all women. Prophet used to cure his wives of this illness by fondling.

Q 002.222: They question thee (O Muhammad) concerning menstruation. Say: It is an illness.,

.Bukhari Volume 7, Book 71, Number 646:

Narrated 'Aisha:
The Prophet used to treat some of his wives by passing his right hand over the place of illness.

Bukhari IVolume 1, Book 6, Number 298:

Narrated 'Aisha:
The Prophet and I used to take a bath from a single pot while we were Junub. During the menses, he used to order me to put on an Izar (dress worn below the waist) and used to fondle me.

Volume 1, Book 6, Number 299:

Narrated 'Abdur-Rahman bin Al-Aswad:

(on the authority of his father) 'Aisha said: "Whenever Allah's Apostle wanted to fondle anyone of us during her periods (menses), he used to order her to put on an Izar and start fondling her." 'Aisha added, "None of you could control his sexual desires as the Prophet could."


Bukhari Volume 1, Book 6, Number 300:

Narrated Maimuna:
When ever Allah's Apostle wanted to fondle any of his wives during the periods (menses), he used to ask her to wear an Izar.

THE FLOOR WHERE YOU PROSTRATE MUST BE FREE OF URINE

During prophet time, dogs used to come and urinate in the mosque all the time. Prophet was so sick and tired that he ordered all dogs of Madina killed.
Bukhari Volume 1, Book 4, Number 174:

Narrated Abu Huraira:
Hamza bin 'Abdullah narrated: My father said. "During the lifetime of Allah's Apostle, the dogs used to urinate, and pass through the mosques (come and go).�

Bukhari volume 4, Book 54, Number 540:
Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
Allah's Apostle ordered that the dogs should be killed.


NOISY AND SMELLY FARTS MAKE PEOPLE LAUGH AND BREAK THE PRAYERS

Every time prayer breaks you have to go and make a new wudu. It is really irritating when an imam has to break prayers and go for a new wudu. It is best imams stay away from beans.


Bukhari Volume 1, Book 4, Number 137:
narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Apostle said, "The prayer of a person breaks by passing of wind from the anus."

. Once, after beans were served in walima feast at prophet�s house the isha prayer took two hours because prophet and all namazis were preaking prayer and making wudu repeatedly.

Disruption was also caused by the namazis laughing out loud every time some one farted .Prophet had to turn around and stop them.
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Prophet advised in regard to people laughing at other�s passing wind from anus and said: �You laugh at that which you yourself do.��

Anonymous said...

LITTLE FARTS (SILENT AND NON SMELLY) DON’T BREAK PRAYERS

Bukhari Volume 1, Book 4, Number 139:

Narrated 'Abbas bin Tamim:
My uncle asked Allah's Apostle about a person who imagined to have passed wind from anus during the prayer. Allah' Apostle replied: "He should not leave his prayers unless he hears sound or smells something.

DISEASES AND THEIR CURES
All diseases are not bad. Some are blessing in disguise.

PLAGUE AND ABDOMINAL DESEASES ARE BLESSINGS FROM GOD FOR BELIEVERS, THEY GET YOU THE RANK OF A MARTYR AND PRADISE

Bukhari volume 4, Book 52, Number 82:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Apostle said, "Five are regarded as martyrs: They are those who die because of plague, abdominal disease, drowning or a falling building etc., and the martyrs in Allah's Cause."

Bukhari Volume 8, Book 77, Number 616:

Narrated 'Aisha:

I asked Allah's Apostle about the plague. He said, "That was a means of torture which Allah used to send upon whom-so-ever He wished, but He made it a source of mercy for the believers, for anyone who is residing in a town in which this disease is present, and remains there and does not leave that town, but has patience and hopes for Allah's reward, and knows that nothing will befall him except what Allah has written for him, then he will get such reward as that of a martyr."

Bukhari Volume 7, Book 71, Number 628:

Narrated Anas bin Malik:

Allah's Apostle said, "(Death from) plague is martyrdom for every Muslim."

Bukhari Volume 7, Book 71, Number 629:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, "He (a Muslim) who dies of an abdominal disease is a a martyr, and he who dies of plague is a martyr."

CONTAGIOUS DESEASES ONLY CONVEYED BY ALLAH’S PERMISSION
Some small illnesses like menstruation, cold, cough, headache etc are authorized by Jibraeel. But contagious diseases need permission from Allah.

Bukhari:V7B71N665
“The Prophet said, ‘No contagious disease is conveyed without Allah’s permission.’”


FEVER IS FROM THE HEAT OF HELL
When Allah decides to give fever to some one he asks the hell to transfer the heat to the designated human body.

Bukhari:V4B54N484

“I heard the Prophet saying, ‘Fever is from the heat of the Hell Fire.’”

URINE IS EXCELLENT FOR HEALTH

Urine is not only a great drink, it cures many diseases. Indian prime minister used to drink urine and lived a very long life. He taught President Carter that trick, and Carter is still alive and kicking. However camel urine is one notch above.

Bukhari:V7B71N590

“The climate of Medina did not suit some people so the Prophet ordered them to drink camel urine as a medicine.”


CURE ALL DESEASES WITH BLACK CUMIN
Western corporations dread islam. They know that with islam comes the Islamic knowledge of useful cost saving short cuts. Imagine what will happen to Pharmaceutical industry if it becomes common knowledge that black cumin can cure all diseases except death.

Bukhari Volume 7, Book 71, Number 592:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "There is healing in black cumin for all diseases except death."


DON’T LIKE BLACK CUMIN? TRY CUPPING, HONEY AND FIRE
Bukhari Volume 7, Book 71, Number 585:

Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:
The Prophet said, "Healing is in three things: cupping, a gulp of honey or cauterization, (branding with fire) but I forbid my followers to use cauterization (branding with fire)."

Bukari Volume 7, Book 71, Number 588:

Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:
A man came to the Prophet and said, "My brother has some abdominal trouble." The Prophet said to him "Let him drink honey." The man came for the second time and the Prophet said to him, 'Let him drink honey."

He came for the third time and the Prophet said, "Let him drink honey." He returned again and said, "I have done that ' The Prophet then said, "Allah has said the truth, but your brother's abdomen has told a lie. Let him drink honey." So he made him drink honey and he was cured.


INDIAN INCENSE CURES SEVEN DESEASES INCLUDING THROAT TROUBLES AND PLEURISY

Bukhari Volume 7, Book 71, Number 596:

Narrated Um Qais bint Mihsan:
I heard the Prophet saying, "Treat with the Indian incense, for it has healing for seven diseases; it is to be sniffed by one having throat trouble, and to be put into one side of the mouth of one suffering from pleurisy

FLY WINGS HAVE DESEASE AS WELL AS CURE
Pharmacies can sell the fly wings which has cure.

Bukhari Volume 7, Book 71, Number 673:

Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "If a fly falls in the vessel of any of you, let him dip all of it (into the vessel) and then throw it away, for in one of its wings there is a disease and in the other there is healing (antidote for it) i e. the treatment for that disease."

IF YOU HAVE EPILEPSY,HANG IN THERE ,YOU GO TO PARADISE

Bukhari Volume 7, Book 70, Number 555:

Narrated 'Ata bin Abi Rabah:
Ibn 'Abbas said to me, "This black lady came to the Prophet and said, 'I get attacks of epilepsy and my body becomes uncovered; please invoke Allah for me.' The Prophet said (to her), 'If you wish, be patient and you will have (enter) Paradise ; and if you wish, I will invoke Allah to cure you.' She said, 'I will remain patient,


ABOUT PREGNANCY AND BABIES

Western doctors are amazed that prophet knew the things they still do not know. That is the reason that it is the fastest growing religion. Why do you think Maurice Bucaille , the french doctor wrote that islam is a scientific religion.

WOMB ANGEL CALLS ALL THE SHOTS

Bukhari Volume 1, Book 6, Number 315:

Narrated Anas bin Malik:

The Prophet said, "At every womb Allah appoints an angel who says, 'O Lord! A drop of semen, O Lord! A clot. O Lord! A little lump of flesh." Then if Allah wishes (to complete) its creation, the angel asks, (O Lord!) Will it be a male or female, a wretched or a blessed, and how much will his provision be? And what will his age be?' So all that is written while the child is still in the mother's womb."


Bukhari Volume 4, Book 54, Number 430:
Narrated 'Abdullah bin Mus'ud:

Allah's Apostle, said, " a human being is put together in the womb of the mother in forty days, and then he becomes a clot of thick blood for a similar period, and then a piece of flesh for a similar period. Then Allah sends an angel who is ordered to write four things. He is ordered to write down his (i.e. the new creature's) deeds, his livelihood, his (date of) death, and whether he will be blessed or wretched (in religion). Then the soul is breathed into him.."

HOW TO PROTECT YOUR FUTURE BABY FROM SATAN

Remember this next time you have sex.
Bukhari Volume 4, Book 54, Number 493:

Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:

The Prophet said, "If anyone of you, when having sexual relation with his wife, say: 'In the name of Allah. O Allah! Protect us from Satan and prevent Satan from approaching our offspring you are going to give us,' and if he begets a child (as a result of that relation) Satan will not harm it."

PREGNANT WOMEN SHOULD STAY AWAY FROM SNAKES WITH TWO WHITE LINES OR SHORT TAIL TO AVOID BLINDNESS AND MISCARRIAGE


Bukhari Volume 4, Book 54, Number 527:

Narrated 'Aisha:

The Prophet said, "Kill the snake with two white lines on its back, for it blinds the on-looker and causes abortion."

Bukhari Volume 4, Book 54, Number 528:

Narrated 'Aisha:
The Prophet ordered that a short-tailed or mutilated-tailed snake (i.e. Abtar) should be killed, for it blinds the on-looker and causes abortion."

Volume 4, Book 54, Number 529:
Narrated Abu Mulaika:
Prophet said, 'Do not kill snakes except the short-tailed or mutilated-tailed snake with two white lines on its back, for it causes abortion and makes one blind. So kill it.'


HOW TO GUARANTEE PREGNANY AND A MALE CHILD

Why bother with X and Y chromosomes. Just say inshallah for a male child specially if you want him to strive fir Allah, and become a suicide bomber to kill infidels.

You have to make sure you say “inshallah” before you have sex with your spouse if you want pregnancy and a male child.

Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 74i:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Apostle said, "Once Solomon, son of David said, '(By Allah) Tonight I will have sexual intercourse with one hundred (or ninety-nine) women each of whom will give birth to a knight who will fight in Allah's Cause.' On that a (i.e. if Allah wills) but he did not say, 'Allah willing.' Therefore only one of those women conceived and gave birth to a half-man. By Him in Whose Hands Muhammad's life is, if he had said, "Allah willing', (he would have begotten sons) all of whom would have been knights striving in Allah's Cause."

HOW TO DETERMINE THE LOOKS OF YOUR BABY BEFORE BIRTH


Basically it is a game of control.

Bukhari:V4B55N546
“Allah’s Apostle said, ‘Gabriel has just now told me of the answer. If a man has sexual intercourse with his wife and gets discharge first, the child will resemble him, and if the woman gets discharge first, the child will resemble her.’”

MALE SEMEN IS WHITE AND THICK ,FEMALE SEMEN IS YELLOW AND THIN
Ishaq:255
“Jewish rabbis came to the Apostle and asked him , ‘Why does a boy resemble his mother when the semen comes from the father?’ Muhammad replied, ‘Do you not know that a man’s semen is white and thick and a woman’s is yellow and thin? The likeness goes with that which comes to the top.

BABY’S SKIN COLOR
Tabari I:258
“Allah sent Gabriel to the earth to bring Him some clay. The earth said, ‘I take refuge in Allah against you mutilating me. Then He sent the angel of death. He took some soil from the earth and made a mixture. He did not take it from a single place but took red, white, and black soil. Therefore, the children of Adam came out different.”

WHY BABY CRIES AT BIRTH
Bukhari Volume 4, Book 54, Number 506:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, "When any human being is born. Satan touches him at both sides of the body with his two fingers, except Jesus, the son of Mary, whom Satan tried to touch but failed, for he touched the placenta-cover instead."

Freethinker said...

Holy Spaggheti.. If this is what Islam is about, PISS be upon you. What nonesense is this? Do you people who can read and write still follow an illiterate sexual pervert in this 21st century. Holy Macaroni.

May the Almighty Flying Spagetti Monster, the omnipresent save our ASSES. Amen!

Freethinker said...

For those of you Allah-fearers, be warned that it was not Allah who created the universe. We are here because the Almightly Flying Spagetti Monster (FSM) created us (of course not in his own image).

Behold the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster (FSM), today’s fastest growing carbohydrate-based religion. According to church founder Bobby Henderson, the universe and all life within it were created by a mystical and divine being: the Flying Spaghetti Monster. What drives the FSM’s devout followers, a.k.a. Pastafarians? Some say it’s the assuring touch from the FSM’s “noodly appendage.” Then there are those who love the worship service, which is conducted in pirate talk and attended by congregants in dashing buccaneer garb. Still others are drawn to the Church’s flimsy moral standards, religious holidays every Friday, or the fact that Pastafarian heaven is way cooler: Does your heaven have a Stripper Factory and a Beer Volcano? Intelligent Design has finally met its match–and it has nothing to do with apes or the Olive Garden of Eden.

Accept the only TRUE religion before it is too late, or else you will regret for eternity for following a black rock-god called Allah.

Anonymous said...

Quran Surah 99

"When the earth is shaken with its (final) earthquake.
And when the earth throws out its burdens,
And man will say: "What is the matter with it?"
That Day it will declare its information (about all what happened over it of good or evil).
Because your Lord has inspired it.
That Day mankind will proceed in scattered groups that they may be shown their deeds.
So whosoever does good equal to the weight of an atom (or a small ant), shall see it.
And whosoever does evil equal to the weight of an atom (or a small ant), shall see it."

Anonymous said...

Quran Surah 44, ayat 2-59

"By the manifest Book (this Qur'ân) that makes things clear,

We sent it (this Qur'ân) down on a blessed night [(i.e. night of Qadr, Sûrah No: 97) in the month of Ramadân,, the 9th month of the Islâmic calendar]. Verily, We are ever warning [mankind that Our Torment will reach those who disbelieve in Our Oneness of Lordship and in Our Oneness of worship].

Therein (that night) is decreed every matter of ordainments[] .

Amran (i.e. a Command or this Qur'an or the Decree of every matter) from Us. Verily, We are ever sending (the Messengers),

(As) a Mercy from your Lord. Verily! He is the All-Hearer, the All-Knower.

The Lord of the heavens and the earth and all that is between them, if you (but) have a faith with certainty.

Lâ ilaha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He). It is He Who gives life and causes death, your Lord and the Lord of your fore-fathers.

Nay! They play in doubt.

Then wait you for the Day when the sky will bring forth a visible smoke.

Covering the people, this is a painful torment.

(They will say): "Our Lord! Remove the torment from us, really we shall become believers!"

How can there be for them an admonition (at the time when the torment has reached them), when a Messenger explaining things clearly has already come to them.

Then they had turned away from him (Messenger Muhammad SAW) and said: "One (Muhammad SAW) taught (by a human being), a madman!"

Verily, We shall remove the torment for a while. Verily! You will revert.

On the Day when We shall seize you with the greatest grasp. Verily, We will exact retribution.

And indeed We tried before them Fir'aun's (Pharaoh) people, when there came to them a noble Messenger [i.e. Mûsa (Moses)

Saying: "Restore to me the slaves of Allâh (i.e. the Children of Israel). Verily! I am to you a Messenger worthy of all trust,

"And exalt not (yourselves) against Allâh. Truly, I have come to you with a manifest authority.

"And truly, I seek refuge in my Lord and your Lord, lest you stone me (or call me a sorcerer or kill me).

"But if you believe me not, then keep away from me and leave me alone."

(But they were aggressive), so he [Mûsa (Moses)] called upon his Lord (saying): "These are indeed the people who are Mujrimûn (disbelievers, polytheists, sinners, criminals, etc.)."

(Allâh said): "Depart you with My slaves by night. Surely, you will be pursued.

"And leave the sea as it is (quiet and divided). Verily, They are a host to be drowned."

How many of gardens and springs do they [Fir'aun's (Pharaoh) people] left.

And green crops (fields etc.) and goodly places,

And comforts of life wherein they used to take delight!

Thus (it was)! And We made other people inherit them (i.e. We made the Children of Israel to inherit the kingdom of Egypt).

And the heavens and the earth wept not for them[] , nor were they given a respite.

And indeed We saved the Children of Israel from the humiliating torment,

From Fir'aun (Pharaoh); Verily! He was arrogant and was of the Musrifûn (those who transgress beyond bound in spending and other things and commit great sins).

And We chose them (the Children of Israel) above the 'Alamîn (mankind, and jinns) [during the time of Mûsa (Moses)] with knowledge,

And granted them signs in which there was a plain trial.

Verily, these (Quraish) people are saying:

"There is nothing but our first death, and we shall not be resurrected.

"Then bring back our fore-fathers, if you speak the truth!"

Are they better or the people of Tubba' and those before them? We destroyed them because they were indeed Mujrimûn (disbelievers, polytheists, sinners, criminals, etc.).

And We created not the heavens and the earth, and all that is between them, for mere play,

We created them not except with truth (i.e. to examine and test those who are obedient and those who are disobedient and then reward the obedient ones and punish the disobedient ones), but most of them know not.

Verily, the Day of Judgement (when Allâh will judge between the creatures) is the time appointed for all of them,

The Day when Maulan (a near relative) cannot avail Maulan (a near relative) in aught, and no help can they receive,

Except him on whom Allâh has Mercy. Verily, He is the All-Mighty, the Most Merciful.

Verily, the tree of Zaqqûm,

Will be the food of the sinners,

Like boiling oil, it will boil in the bellies,

Like the boiling of scalding water.

(It will be said) "Seize him and drag him into the midst of blazing Fire,

"Then pour over his head the torment of boiling water,

"Taste you (this)! Verily, you were (pretending to be) the mighty, the generous!

"Verily! This is that whereof you used to doubt!"

Verily! The Muttaqûn (pious - see V.2:2), will be in place of Security (Paradise).

Among Gardens and Springs;

Dressed in fine silk and (also) in thick silk, facing each other,

So (it will be), and We shall marry them to Houris[] (female fair ones) with wide, lovely eyes.

They will call therein for every kind of fruit in peace and security;

They will never taste death therein except the first death (of this world), and He will save them from the torment of the blazing Fire,

As a Bounty from your Lord! That will be the supreme success!

Certainly, We have made this (Qur'ân) easy in your tongue, in order that they may remember.

Wait then (O Muhammad SAW); Verily, they (too) are waiting."

Dhivehi Christian said...

One of those anonymouses said "hahahah... peaple leaving islam? joking right?"

No. I left Islam and thousands of others are leaving Islam. The joke is on you, anonymous!

Harussani Zakaria, the mufti of Perak state, recently cited a report that 100,000 (anonymous, the figure is one hundred thousand!) Malays had renounced Islam and more were lining up to do so. Read for yourself in the Middle East Times. So wipe that grin off your mouth anonymous. We are winning!

Dhivehi Christian said...

Lot's daughters having sex with their dad and the Bible says so. Silly old Lot got blotto. So what's the issue, anonymous? I don't get your point. Do you?

Freethinker said...

For the anonymous who had nothing to say but paste a few lines of the Koran (the book that was revealed to Mohamed while he was having an intimate affair with a goat in a cave outside the small town called Mekka).

For anyone who has a sense of understanding of the world and a bit of science and history will understand that the Quran is rubbish, because it is contradictory to science, logic, common sense and even history. Dont tell me that it is perfect and direct from God who has kept it written in a large stone tablet in heaven from the day he created it. This is all rubbish as well because we know that Arabic language is younger than Tamil or Malayalam. Do you remember that when Quran was "revealed" the bunch of idiot with Mohamed didnt know how to write it down, because the Arabic language at the time was so primitive that there was no standard system of writing. They wrote the quran verses on camel bones, dog skins and pig meat witout "fili". And when Usman wanted to compile the perfect Quran he had absolutely no idea what the hell he was doing so he asked the committee to do their best and burn all other copies and variations of the quran.

And above all, this perfect book says that the earth is FLAT.. Holy Shit. But the Holy Spaggheti Bowl makes no such mistakes when he said in His Holy Book that he created the earth in the shape of a human testicle. Holy Pasta.

Anonymous said...

hey maldivianFREAKthinker in which verse of the quran it says the earth is flat.....and maldivian christian while few fools like u r leaving islam more n more people with BRAIN are entering islam ALLAHAKBAR

dont be fooled by propaganda said...

There is an ongoing slander campaign against Islam, claiming that it is a religion that promotes violence and hinting that it seeks world conquest. Before you buy the malarkey that is being produced by people with their own agendas or prejudices or who are just plain ignoramuses, follow these few suggestions.

Compare the history of Islam with the history of Europe, which for centuries was called Christendom. An objective look will show you that Christendom wins by a landslide when it comes to violence and wars. After all, Europe and its offspring did not come to dominate the world, including the Islamic countries, because they practiced the gentle virtues of Jesus.

As for the common practice of cherry-picking Scripture from holy writings and presenting it out of context, just check out what Christians call the Old Testament. There you will find God advocating a double standard of morality, condoning slavery, ordering the Israelites to commit genocide and committing infanticide himself on a mass scale. I don't believe you will find anything comparable in the Qur'an.

The word "jihad," which is so over-used these days, has, like a lot of words, more than one meaning. It means basically to struggle, but this can be personal or spiritual, or a peaceful political struggle. Only if Islam is attacked are Muslims required to defend it. As for that obnoxious propaganda term "Islamo-fascist," just recall that fascism is a European invention by nominal Christians. To my knowledge, the only fascist governments ever to exist on this planet were all European and nominally Christian.

Another canard is that Islam promotes forced conversion. Not so. Even when the Arab empire was expanding, rarely were any of the conquered people forced to convert. The Qur'an even forbids it, as I recall. Naturally, once Muslims were in charge, a lot of people decided it was in their own self-interest to convert, but this is just one of the sleazy aspects of human nature.

I remember when Florida elected its first Republican governor of the 20th century. I saw plenty of people crawl out from under their rocks and convert to the Republican Party, drawn by the smell of patronage. With some rare exceptions, human beings always act in what they perceive, rightly or wrongly, to be in their self-interest.

It was Christian Europe that slaughtered the Jews, and nothing remotely resembling the Holocaust is to be found in the history of Islam. In fact, during the past, when Jews were being persecuted by Christian Europe, they frequently fled to and found sanctuary in the Muslim countries. Until Israel was established, practically every Muslim country had sizable Jewish populations dating back centuries. And there are still Jews and Christians in some Muslim countries.

A final suggestion is that when you hear some individual radical Muslim being quoted, just remember he is one of a billion people and speaks only for himself and his small following. And be wary of the quotations he uses, for they are often deliberately fabricated or distorted. If Muslims really desired to conquer the world, don't you think it's strange that we've been living in peace with them for nearly a millennium and a half, except for those times when we attacked them (the Crusades, the European colonial movement and our invasion of Iraq)? Don't forget either
that some of the countries the Bush administration calls allies are themselves Muslim –- Egypt, Jordan, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, etc.?

You have nothing to fear from Islam. The al-Qaida movement is a tiny percentage of Muslims and wouldn't be the force it is except for the fact that the Bush administration has gone out of its way to make all of Osama bin Laden's propaganda become true.

Anonymous said...

hey maldivian christian can u explain me these contradictions in the bible ive got 101 of them but to make it easy 4 u here is 10 of them
1. Who incited David to count the fighting men of Israel?

* God did (2 Samuel 24: 1)
* Satan did (I Chronicles 2 1:1)

2. In that count how many fighting men were found in Israel?

* Eight hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)
* One million, one hundred thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)

3. How many fighting men were found in Judah?

* Five hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)
* Four hundred and seventy thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)

4. God sent his prophet to threaten David with how many years of famine?

* Seven (2 Samuel 24:13)
* Three (I Chronicles 21:12)

5. How old was Ahaziah when he began to rule over Jerusalem?

* Twenty-two (2 Kings 8:26)
* Forty-two (2 Chronicles 22:2)

6. How old was Jehoiachin when he became king of Jerusalem?

* Eighteen (2 Kings 24:8)
* Eight (2 Chronicles 36:9)

7. How long did he rule over Jerusalem?

* Three months (2 Kings 24:8)
* Three months and ten days (2 Chronicles 36:9)

8. The chief of the mighty men of David lifted up his spear and killed how many men at one time?

* Eight hundred (2 Samuel 23:8)
* Three hundred (I Chronicles 11: 11)

9. When did David bring the Ark of the Covenant to Jerusalem? Before defeating the Philistines or after?

* After (2 Samuel 5 and 6)
* Before (I Chronicles 13 and 14)

10. How many pairs of clean animals did God tell Noah to take into the Ark?

* Two (Genesis 6:19, 20)
* Seven (Genesis 7:2). But despite this last instruction only two pairs went into the ark (Genesis 7:8-9)

Anonymous said...

Freethinker kaley ge gamaaru kamaa mududhaarukamaa mihaaru ves kaley ge zibu thirioh balaabala bodu kes bondi onnaane nubai vas ladaa anhenakah kairivaan nukerey varuge, furihamah islam dheen follow kuraa anhenunna firhenun thibeynee 40 day in saafu thahiruvegen emeehunge anbin emeehunna kairi vaan fakureh nugannaane , noonee kalege kippathi balaala bala, sunnathah folow kuraa meehunna vure mihurihaa kamakun ves kaley mududhaaru vaane, mihaaru ves kaley moshifa thibi aalaathun kairee ahaabala kaley kesbondin vas nulada tho, kaley ge dhaippila balaa bala kithafaharutho thi ungulhanee muslimunna konme namaadheh kurin dhai ungulhumakee bodu vegen vaa sunnatheh
mee adhi islam dheenuge saafuthaahiru kamun kuda min vareh
kaley ah thi koshi visnun dhevvi faraathah biru vethivey..thimaa ah maa molhah visney kamah heekohggen ulhunas kaleah adhi hama ingey ekachcheh vves nei

"ALHAMDHULILLAH alhamen migamaarun thereyn nulevvi kamah"

Anonymous said...

Dhivehi Christian said...

One of those anonymouses said "hahahah... peaple leaving islam? joking right?"



haha haha Dhivehi Christian kaley islam veentha koniraku kihinei? vegen kaley kuree kee
islam vegennu dheenun nukumeveynee

Freethinker said...

For the Anonymous who is so fond of hair..

It is a shame that you are unable to understand what your own religion says about these subjects. Your own ignorance cannot be compensated for by ridiculing others. There is no arguing that Islam is the dirtiest and most uncivilized dogma in the world. You better read your own Quran and the Hadis... The problem is you never do these, but only follow the foolish Mullahs.

Freethinker said...

For the ignorant Muslim who has never read his own Koran.. see a few verses here that claims the earth is flat.

Sura 51:48"And the Earth - we have stretched it out like a carpet; and how smoothly have we

spread it forth."

Sura 20:55 "He hath spread the Earth as a bed, and hath traced out paths for you therein, and hath sent down rain from Heaven, and by it we bring forth the kinds of various herbs..."

Sura 67:15 "It is He who hath made the Earth level for you: traverse then its broad sides, and eat of what He hath provided. - Unto Him shall be the resurrection."



Other passages that us flat terms can be found in:

50.7 "And the Earth, We have made it plain and cast in it mountains."

51.48 "And the earth, We have made it a wide extent."

71.19 "And Allah has made for you the Earth a wide expanse."

78.6 "Have we not made the Earth an even expanse?"

79:27-30 "Are you the harder to create, or is the heaven that He built ? He raised the height thereof and ordered it; and He has made dark the night thereof, and He brought forth the morning thereof. And after that, He spread the Earth."

Dont try to change the meaning of these words like FLAT to justify and defend your arguments. Allah was not only mistaken obout the shape of the earth. He also had no idea about the sun and moon and their orbits and movements.

18:83-89 "...And a route he followed, Until when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it to set in a miry fount; and hard by he found a people...Then followed he a route Until when he reached the rising of the sun he found it to rise on a people to whom we had given no shelter from it."

18:86: "Till, when he reached the setting-place of the Sun, he found it going down into a muddy spring…"

18:90 "Till, when he reached the rising-place of the Sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had appointed no shelter from it."



The Koran also teaches us that the sun and the moon have it's own resting place. Passages that refer this statement include:

36:38 "And the Sun runneth on unto a resting place for him. That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Wise."

36:39 "And for the moon, We have appointed mansions till she return like an old shriveled palm leaf."

36:40 "It is not for Sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit."



And finally In 1993, the supreme religous authority of Saudi Arabia, Sheik Abdel-Aziz Ibn Baaz, issued an adict, or fatwa, declaring that the world is flat. Orthodox Christians and Muslims unite! Anyone of the round Earth persausion does not belive in God or Allah and should be punished!

If you still believe that a BlackRock called Allah created the universe, just tell me how come he forgot all about his own creations? Is he such a dumb Rock?

Anonymous said...

"Narrated Abu Dhar: 'The Prophet asked me at sunset, "Do you know where the sun goes (at the time of sunset)?" I replied, "Allah and His Apostle know better." He said, "It goes (i.e. travels) till it prostrates Itself underneath the Throne and takes the permission to rise again, and it is permitted and then (a time will come when) it will be about to prostrate itself but its prostration will not be accepted, and it will ask permission to go on its course but it will not be permitted, but it will be ordered to return whence it has come and so it will rise in the west. And that is the interpretation of the Statement of Allah: "And the sun Runs its fixed course For a term (decreed). that is The Decree of (Allah) The Exalted in Might, The All-Knowing."'" (Hadith, Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 54, Number 421.)

Dhivehi Christian said said...

"* God did
* Satan did"

What's the contradiction? Let me put it this way. Is there a contradiction in the following?

Anonymous-n farted
Anonymous-s farted

Dhivehi Christian said...

"haha haha Dhivehi Christian kaley islam veentha koniraku kihinei? vegen kaley kuree kee
islam vegennu dheenun nukumeveynee"

Now isn't that a contradiction? You people refer to conversion to your death cult as "reversion". I suppose the implication is that everyone was a cult-member at some stage. So think about it before kicking your brain into gear. Either your logic is warped or what you call "reversion" is meaningless. You cannot have it both ways.

Freethinker said...

Originally the Earth was heaved up out of the waters. The North Pole marks the central point; the 60,000-mile periphery, coated with a vast barrier of ice, is what we conventionally call the South Pole. It is this barrier which confines us to the Earth and stops us from being in any danger of falling off. What lies on the underneath of the flat Earth remains mysterious, but there is no reason to doubt that it is highly complicated; it is impossible for us to compute the full extent of the Earth, because we can examine only that part of it which is surrounded by the wall of ice. The Earth may even be infinite, stretching out indefinitely. The Moon is a very small body, moving in an east to west direction; each night it sets later by 28 minutes or thereabouts, so that it shows us different aspects, and produces what astronomers call the phases, from new to full. The Sun is larger, with a diameter of about 32 miles. The Sun's distance is less than 3,000 miles, as is shown by experiments carried out in South America. In parts of this continent, the true latitude lines show that there is a point at which latitude 45 degrees crosses the equator. (I admit to finding this argument a little hard to follow, but all I can do is to explain what Mr Shenton explained to me.) From here you can get a triangulation to the conventional equator, 3,000 miles away. If the Sun is overhead at this moment, then the optical distance must be equal to the distance of the baseline upwards: that is to say, 3,000 miles.
As for the astronauts . . . well, they simply went out in an egg-shaped orbit, and the photographs they brought back were distorted due to the angle from which they mere taken. The remaining photographs were subsequently faked by unscrupulous propagandists to disprove the true theory that the Earth is a flat plane.
And finally: the entire universe consists of the Earth. Certainly we lie on a great water base; the water seeps right through the Earth's disk, producing our present oceans and springs. With regard to greater distances, it is hard to speculate. There may well be a series or a stream of 'heavens', made up of enclosed spaces and perhaps even inhabited.

Dhivehi Christian said...

Dont be fooled by propaganda said: “After all, Europe and its offspring did not come to dominate the world, including the Islamic countries, because they practiced the gentle virtues of Jesus.” In a nutshell and inadvertently you have underscored the main difference between Christianity and your Islamofascist death cult. Jesus saves lives; Mohamed took them. “Christians” who rape, pillage and plunder are doing exactly the opposite of the example that God set. You Islamofascists who rape, pillage and plunder are doing exactly as your murderer-rapist Mohamed did.

You also said “rarely were any of the conquered people forced to convert”. What exactly was it that your murderer-rapist Mohamed did to his kith and kin in Mecca after he overran that town? Read your own historians and they will tell you that, without exception, all the Meccans were either forced to convert to Islam or were murdered when they refused. Get your facts right old chap!

Too right, Islam is out to conquer civilisation and extinguish it by brute force in the same way as the proud and ancient civilisations in Syria, Greece, Persia, Egypt and India were brought to their knees by the ancestors of you savages. We make no mistake about that! We ex-Muslims are in a good position to create global awareness against this evil and we are doing that. God willing, we will win. Good always wins over evil. Halleluiah!

Dhivehi Christian said...

We still have preserved the original of an ultimatum issued by Mohamed, under his seal, to two peaceful co-sovereigns of a south Arabian principality. It translates as follows:

"In the name of Allah the compassionate, the merciful. From Mohamed, messenger of Allah to Jaifer and Abd, sons of Julanda. Peace be upon the one who follows the right path! I call you to Islam. Accept my call, and you shall be unharmed. I am Allah's Messenger to mankind, and the word shall be carried out upon the miscreants. If, therefore, you recognise Islam, I shall bestow power upon you. But if you refuse to accept Islam, your power shall vanish, my horses shall camp on the expanse of your territory and my prophecy shall prevail in your kingdom."

If that is not overt imperialism and naked aggression, what is? Mohamed was a savage, barbarian brute who was out to conquer the known world. His followers today are savage, barbarian brutes who are out to conquer the known world.

Anonymous said...

The destruction of Hindu temples in India during the Islamic conquest had occurred from the beginning of Muslim conquest until the end the Mughal Empire throughout the Indian subcontinent[12].

An inscription at the Quwwat Al-Islam Mosque in Delhi states:

This Jamii Masjid built in the months of the year 587 (hijri) by the Amir, the great, the glorious commander of the Army, Qutb-ud-daula wad-din, the Amir-ul-umara Aibeg, the slave of the Sultan, may God strengthen his helpers! The materials of 27 idol temples, on each of which 2,000,000 Deliwal coins had been spent were used in the (construction of) this mosque. [13]
Alberuni in his India [14] writes about the famous temple of Multan:

A famous idol of theirs was that of Multan, dedicated to the sun, .. When Muhammad Ibn Alkasim Ibn Almunabbih, conquered Multan, he inquired how the town had become so very flourishing and so many treasures had there been accumulated, and then he found out that this idol was the cause, for there came pilgrims from all sides to visit it. Therefore he thought it best to have the idol where it was, but he hung a piece of cow�s-flesh on its neck by way of mockery. On the same place a mosque was built. When then the Karmatians occupied Multan, Jalam Ibn Shaiban, the usurper, broke the idol into pieces and killed its priests. .. When afterwards the blessed Prince Mahmud swept away their rule from those countries, he made again the old mosque the place of the Friday-worship, ..
An inscription of 1462 A.D.at Jami Masjid at Malan, in Banaskantha District of Gujarat states:

The Jami Masjid was built by Khan-I-Azam Ulugh Khan, who suppressed the wretched infidels. He eradicated the idolatrous houses and mine of infidelity, along with the idols with the edge of the sword, and made ready this edifice. He made its walls and doors out of the idols; the back of every stone became the place for prostration of the believer [15]
Mughal Emperor Jahangir wrote in his Tujuk-i-Jahangiri:

I am here led to relate that at the city of Banaras a temple had been erected by Rajah Maun Sing, which cost him the sum of nearly thirty-six laks of five methkaly ashrefies. ...I made it my plea for throwing down the temple which was the scene of this imposture; and on the spot, with the very same materials, I erected the great mosque, because the very name of Islam was proscribed at Banaras, and with God�s blessing it is my design, if I live, to fill it full with true believers

Anonymous said...

The Ottoman Empire was marked by long periods of limited tolerance and some periods of bloody repression of non-Muslims rebellion. Many Jews fled from Christian Spain to more tolerant states, such as the Netherlands and the Ottoman Empire to escape persecution. The Janissary army corps consisted of young men who were brought to Istanbul as child-slaves (and were often from Christian households) who were converted, trained and later employed by the Sultan (the devshirme system). At the end of the Ottoman Empire, between 10,000[1] and 2,500,000 Armenians, Assyrians and Greeks perished as a result of direct killing and starvation, see Armenian genocide or Assyrian genocide. Not to be overlooked was the killing of Muslims by Armenians et al. in their hopes of getting land to form their own countries - backed by the enemy of the Ottomans: Russia. In the nineteenth century, there were several campaigns of ethnic cleansing against non-Muslims, such as the Assyrian Christians and Yezidi in contemporary Iraq, as documented below:

Badr Khan Bey, A Hakkari Kurdish Amir, combined with other Kurdish forces led by Nurallah, attacked the Assyrians, intending to burn, kill, destroy, and, if possible, exterminate the Assyrians race from the mountains. The fierce Kurds destroyed and burned whatever came within their reach. An indiscriminate massacre took place. The women were brought before the Amir and murdered in cold blood. The following incident illustrates the revolting barbarity: the aged mother of Mar Shimun, the Patriarch of the Church of the East, was seized by them, and after having practiced on her the most abominable atrocities, they cut her body into two parts and threw it into the river Zab, exclaiming, "go and carry to your accursed son the intelligence that the same fate awaits him." Nearly ten thousand Assyrians were massacred, and as large a number of woman and children were taken captive, most of whom were sent to Jezirah to be sold as slaves, to be bestowed as presents upon the influential Muslims.[2]

Similar events occurred in 1846. In neither case did the Ottoman Government or its security forces intervene to prevent the massacres or punish the wrong-doers, indicating that they were happy with the outcome, and thus making the Khilafah accomplices to the massacres. In 1847, Muslim forces massacred 30,000 members of the Assyrian Christian community. A good example of State complicity by the Khilafah in massacres of Christians begun by individual Muslims occurred in Lebanon and Syria in 1860, and which were only finally ended by the intervention of French forces:

In Lebanon, from April to July, more than sixty villages of Al-Matn and Al-Shuf were burned to ashes by the Druze and Kurdish forces. The big towns then followed. The Ottoman garrison commander again offered the Maronite population asylum, as he had offered to the small villages, asking for the surrender of their arms and then slaughtering them in the local serai. Such was the fate of Dayr al-Qamar, which lost 2600 men; Jazzin and environs, where 1500 were slaughtered; Hasbayya, where 1000 of 6000 were cold bloodedly killed; Rashayya, where 800 perished. The orders for Hasbayya were that no male between seven and seventy years of age should be spared. Malicious eyes feasted on mangled, intermingled bodies of old and young in the courtyard of the Shihabi palace. Zahla, largest among the towns with 12000 inhabitants, held out for a short time and then succumbed under an attack by a host including fighters from Harwan and Bedouins from the desert. The town lay snugly in a deep ravine carved by the Bardawni flowing from the Mount Sannin. Hardly a house escaped the flames. The total loss of life within the span of three months and a space of a few miles was estimated at 12000. From Lebanon the spark of hate flew to Damascus and ignited a reservoir of Muslim ill-feeling generated by the policy of Ibrahim Pasha and the egalitarian provisions of Khatti Humayun. The Assyrian quarter was sent on fire and some 11000 of its inhabitants were put to the sword.[3]

Many have alleged that the massacres of the Ottoman Empire were not distinctly Islamic in nature, and rather, were the cause of the rise of Turkish nationalism in the late 19th and early 20th century, however, there are distinctive Islamic overtones to the massacres the Turks engaged in against their Christian subjects. However, although the Young Turks had a distinctively nationalistic modus operandi they were also devout Muslims. As documented below in a speech made by Sheik Ab-dul-Hack:

Yes! The Musulman religion is in open hostility to all your world of progress. Understand, you European observers, that a Christian, whatever his position may be, by the mere fact of his being a Christian is regarded by us as a blind man lost to all sense of human dignity. Our reasoning with regard to him is as simple as it is definitive. We say: the man whose judgment is so perverted as to deny the existence of a one and only God, and to make up gods of different sorts, can only be the meanest expression of human degradation; to speak to him would be a humiliation for our intelligence and an insult to the grandeur of the Master of the Universe. The presence of such miscreants among us is the bane of our existence; their doctrine is a direct insult to the purity of our faith; contact with them is a defilement of our bodies; any relation with them a torture to our souls. Though detesting you, we have condescended to study your political institutions and your military organization. Over and above the new weapons that Providence procures for us through your agency, you have yourselves rekindled, the inextinguishable faith of our heroic martyrs. Our Young Turks, our Babis, our new Brotherhoods, all our sects, under various forms, are inspired by the same idea; the same necessity of moving forward. Towards what end? Christian civilization? Never! Islam is the one great international family. All true believers are brothers. A community of feeling and of faith binds them in mutual affection. It is for the Caliph to facilitate these relations and to rally the Faithful under the sacerdotal standard.

The role of the religious establishment in the massacres and genocide of the Armenians is also pointed out below, by an eyewitness account to one such massacre.

To save shell and powder, the gendarmerie commander in charge of this large convoy had gathered 10,000�12,000 Turkish peasants and other villagers, and armed with 'hatchets, meat cleavers, saddler's knives, cudgels, axes, pickaxes, shovels', the latter attacked and for some 4�5 hours mercilessly butchered the victims while crying 'Oh God, Oh God' (Allah, Allah). In a moment of rare candor, this gendarmerie commander confided to the priest�author, whom he did not expect to survive the mass murder, that after each massacre episode, he spread his little prayer rug and performed the namaz, the ritual of worship, centered on prayer, with a great sense of redemption in the service of Almighty God.[4]

Historian Lord Kinross also points out the role of Islam in the Genocide of the Armenians and the role of local ordinary people as well as local Islamic religious establishment in the massacres:

It became their normal routine first to assemble the Moslem population in the largest mosque in a town, then to declare, in the name of the Sultan, that the Armenians were in general revolt with the aim of striking at Islam. Their Sultan enjoined them as good Moslems to defend their faith against these infidel rebels. He propounded the precept that under the holy law the property of rebels might be looted by believers, encouraging Moslems to enrich themselves in the name of their faith at the expense of their Christian neighbours, and in the event of resistance, to kill them. Hence, throughout Armenia, 'the attack of an ever increasing pack of wolves against sheep.'... Each operation, between the bugle calls, followed a similar pattern. First into a town there came the Turkish troops, for the purpose of massacre; then came the Kurdish irregulars and tribesmen for the purpose of plunder. Finally came the holocaust, by fire and destruction, which spread, with the pursuit of fugitives and mopping�up operations, throughout the lands and villages of the surrounding province. This murderous winter of 1895 thus saw the decimation of much of the Armenian population and the devastation of their property in some twenty districts of eastern Turkey. Often the massacres were timed for a Friday, when the Moslems were in their mosques and the myth was spread by the authorities that the Armenians conspired to slaughter them at prayer. Instead they were themselves slaughtered, when the Moslems emerged to forestall their design. The total number of victims was somewhere between fifty and a hundred thousand, allowing for those who died subsequently of wounds, disease, exposure, and starvation...In each of thirteen large towns the numbers of those dead ran well into four figures. In Erzurum, the bazaar of a thousand shops was looted and wrecked by the Moslems, while some three hundred Christians were buried the next day in a single massed grave...Cruelest and most ruinous of all were the massacres at Urfa, where the Armenian Christians numbered a third of the total population. Here in December 1895, after a two�months siege of their quarter, the leading Armenians assembled in their cathedral, where they drew up a statement requesting Turkish official protection. Promising this, the Turkish officer in charge surrounded the cathedral with troops. Then a large body of them, with a mob in their wake, rushed through the Armenian quarter, where they plundered all houses and slaughtered all adult males above a certain age. When a large group of young Armenians were brought before a sheikh, he had them thrown down on their backs and held by their hands and feet. Then, in the words of an observer, he recited verses of the Koran and 'cut their throats after the Mecca rite of sacrificing sheep.'...When the bugle blast ended the day's operations some three thousand refugees poured into the cathedral, hoping for sanctuary. But the next morning � a Sunday � a fanatical mob swarmed into the church in an orgy of slaughter, rifling its shrines will cries of 'Call upon Christ to prove Himself a greater prophet than Mohammed.' Then they amassed a large pile of straw matting, which they spread over the litter of the corpses and set alight with thirty cans of petroleum. The woodwork of the gallery where a crowd of women and children crouched, wailing in terror, caught fire, and all perished in the flames. Punctiliously, at three�thirty in the afternoon the bugle blew once more, and the Moslem officials proceeded around the Armenian quarter to proclaim that the massacres were over. They had wiped out 126 complete families, without a woman or a baby surviving, and the total casualties in the town, including those slaughtered in the cathedral, amounted to eight thousand dead

Anonymous said...

amillah ah kafir vegen miulhey meehunney... kaley menge dhaffen varu mi blog balaa leema ingey mioh educated adhi maa human rights vegen ulhey zamaanuga kaleymen thi dhuvanee ethah insaanunney alhukan kuraa ilaahakashaa adhi emeehunge raloolaa ah hithu huri echcheh kiyamun kobaa emeehunge nuvatha ameehun ge ilaahuge rights, kaleymen thi rights gen gulhey migadunna nama ekamaa behevigen nuvaane kaleymen beynun gothakah ulhevenikoh nimuneenu... kaleymen nikan balaabala aslu islaamdheena sunna follow kuraa evves bayaku ehen baeh alhun kankuraa ilaahaka nu vatha ebaehgge rasoolakah thifadha mududhaaru echchis kiyaafa ka eh nonnaane ... 1400 kureege dheenakas emeehun thihaa goikuda eh noon , adhi kaleymen kahala 1000 adhi eyavure gina meehun kafir viyas allah adhi ekalaange dheenakah evves unikameh adhi gellumeh ves nuvaane ...

Dhivehi Christian said...

"ethah insaanunney alhukan kuraa ilaahakashaa adhi emeehunge raloolaa ah hithu huri echcheh kiyamun kobaa emeehunge nuvatha ameehun ge ilaahuge rights"

This is the epitome of arrogance! You are talking of your rights and that of your wretched false god/ prophet when you deny us our right to practise our religions openly and freely in our own country.

Do I have the right to call myself a Christian openly in my own country and not be prosecuted? The answer is no. The reason is your barbaric Islam.

Do I have the right to share my Christian faith with other Maldivians without being prosecuted? The answer is no. The reason is your barbaric Islam.

Do I and other Maldivian Christians have the right to build a church to worship freely according to what is guaranteed to us by International Law? The answer is no. The reason is your barbaric Islam.

Do Muslim Maldivians living in Christian countries have the right to call themselves Muslims openly and not be prosecuted? The answer is yes. The reason is that those countries respect the international treaties they have signed.

Do you have the right to share your Islamic faith freely with Christians when living in or visiting Christian countries? The answer is yes. The reason is that those countries respect the international treaties they have signed.

Do you and other Muslims have the right to build mosques in Christian countries to worship your false god freely according to what is guaranteed by international law? The answer is yes. The reason is that those countries respect the international treaties they have signed.

So before you open your mouth to squeal about your lack of freedom and your rights being curtailed, discharge your obligations according to International Law. Christians do that. Why can’t Muslims?

It is simple! You respect my rights and I will start respecting yours.

Anonymous said...

Muslims supported the Holocaust.. See
http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/gallery/index.htm

Dhivehi Christian said...

"kaleymen nikan balaabala aslu islaamdheena sunna follow kuraa evves bayaku ehen baeh alhun kankuraa ilaahaka nu vatha ebaehgge rasoolakah thifadha mududhaaru echchis kiyaafa ka eh nonnaane"

You are saying that those who follow the authentic Islam and the deeds of Mohamed would not denigrate the gods of others. This authentic Islam of yours must be something unknown to your murderer-pedophile rapist Mohamed. He not only denigrated the gods of his tribe and those of other Arabs. He destroyed their icons and shrines out of the face of the earth. Generations of Islamic barbarian hordes did exactly that in the lands that they overran.

Learn your Islam. We did and we left it.

Mariyam Nuzra said...

I've been following this debate closely for a long long time. It is obvious that the non-Muslims here are better informed and smarter than the Muslims. I have now decided to leave Islam. I'll become a Christian.

Anonymous said...

Mariyam Nuzra said...ask the to explain these contradictions in the bible
1. Who incited David to count the fighting men of Israel?

* God did (2 Samuel 24: 1)
* Satan did (I Chronicles 2 1:1)

2. In that count how many fighting men were found in Israel?

* Eight hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)
* One million, one hundred thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)

3. How many fighting men were found in Judah?

* Five hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)
* Four hundred and seventy thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)

4. God sent his prophet to threaten David with how many years of famine?

* Seven (2 Samuel 24:13)
* Three (I Chronicles 21:12)

5. How old was Ahaziah when he began to rule over Jerusalem?

* Twenty-two (2 Kings 8:26)
* Forty-two (2 Chronicles 22:2)

6. How old was Jehoiachin when he became king of Jerusalem?

* Eighteen (2 Kings 24:8)
* Eight (2 Chronicles 36:9)

7. How long did he rule over Jerusalem?

* Three months (2 Kings 24:8)
* Three months and ten days (2 Chronicles 36:9)

8. The chief of the mighty men of David lifted up his spear and killed how many men at one time?

* Eight hundred (2 Samuel 23:8)
* Three hundred (I Chronicles 11: 11)

9. When did David bring the Ark of the Covenant to Jerusalem? Before defeating the Philistines or after?

* After (2 Samuel 5 and 6)
* Before (I Chronicles 13 and 14)

10. How many pairs of clean animals did God tell Noah to take into the Ark?

* Two (Genesis 6:19, 20)
* Seven (Genesis 7:2). But despite this last instruction only two pairs went into the ark (Genesis 7:8-9)

Freethinker said...

Dear Maryam Nuzra..
It does not matter what religious creed you follow as long as you are yourself and free to make informed rational decisions on your life. Islam denies this right and that is the reason why we all should get out of this murderous, enslaving dogma.

Today, humanity has sufficient scientific knowledge to finally get out of the claws of ancient religions. There is no religion that understands the universal truths about the universe, life and everything else. If religions are wrong about the basics of the universal knowledge, then there is no reason to follow any of them. One should not follow a religion just because these false beliefs provide you with some contentment is no better than enslaving yourself to the "placebo" effect of any sugar pill.

Be rational and be yourself.

Mariyam Nuzra said...

The apparent contradictions in the Old Testament is of little concern to me. I understand that the Bible is a collection of religious texts written by a number of people over many thousands of years.The Word of God is Jesus and he is true to me.

I was brought up believing that the Quran is the word of Allah. He seems to provide for the sexual urges of Muhammad in the Quran. So no thanx. That is a contradiction that no other one will beat. Mother of all contradictions.

I have burnt a copy of the Quran as a ritual to rid it out of my iife. Next month I will travel to Colombo to get baptized. My friends think this is a bold move. They might follow.

Freethinker said...

The Qur'an states that it is a perfect book preserved on tablets in heaven (Surah 85:21-22). If the Qur'an is a perfect book from Allah, then there shouldn't be any contradictions in it. Of course, the Muslims will deny any contradictions exist in the Qur'an, but they do. Some of the contradictions below could be debated, but some of them are clearly contradictions.
A contradiction occurs when one statement on a subject excludes the possibility of another. The first one here is a good example. In Surah 19:67, it states that man was created out of nothing. In 15:26, man is created from clay. Since clay is something, we have a contradiction since "nothing" excludes the possibility of "clay." Both cannot be true.
All quotes from the Qur'an, unless otherwise specified, are from Yusuf Ali and can be found at the Qur'an online.

What was man created from, blood, clay, dust, or nothing?
"Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood," (96:2).
"We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape, (15:26).
"The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was," (3:59).
"But does not man call to mind that We created him before out of nothing?" (19:67, Yusuf Ali). Also, 52:35).
"He has created man from a sperm-drop; and behold this same (man) becomes an open disputer! (16:4).
Is there or is there not compulsion in religion according to the Qur'an?
"Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things," (2:256).
"And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage,- that Allah and His Messenger dissolve (treaty) obligations with the Pagans. If then, ye repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away, know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith," (9:3).
"But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful," (9:5).
Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued," (9:29).
The first Muslim was Muhammad? Abraham? Jacob? Moses?
"And I [Muhammad] am commanded to be the first of those who bow to Allah in Islam," (39:12).
"When Moses came to the place appointed by Us, and his Lord addressed him, He said: "O my Lord! show (Thyself) to me, that I may look upon thee." Allah said: "By no means canst thou see Me (direct); But look upon the mount; if it abide in its place, then shalt thou see Me." When his Lord manifested His glory on the Mount, He made it as dust. And Moses fell down in a swoon. When he recovered his senses he said: "Glory be to Thee! to Thee I turn in repentance, and I am the first to believe." (7:143).
"And this was the legacy that Abraham left to his sons, and so did Jacob; "Oh my sons! Allah hath chosen the Faith for you; then die not except in the Faith of Islam," (2:132).
Does Allah forgive or not forgive those who worship false gods?
Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with Allah is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed," (4:48). Also 4:116
The people of the Book ask thee to cause a book to descend to them from heaven: Indeed they asked Moses for an even greater (miracle), for they said: "Show us Allah in public," but they were dazed for their presumption, with thunder and lightning. Yet they worshipped the calf even after clear signs had come to them; even so we forgave them; and gave Moses manifest proofs of authority," (4:153).
Are Allah's decrees changed or not?
"Rejected were the messengers before thee: with patience and constancy they bore their rejection and their wrongs, until Our aid did reach them: there is none that can alter the words (and decrees) of Allah. Already hast thou received some account of those messengers," (6:34).
"The word of thy Lord doth find its fulfillment in truth and in justice: None can change His words: for He is the one who heareth and knoweth all, (6:115).
None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things?" (2:106).
When We substitute one revelation for another,- and Allah knows best what He reveals (in stages),- they say, "Thou art but a forger": but most of them understand not," (16:101).
Was Pharaoh killed or not killed by drowning?
"We took the Children of Israel across the sea: Pharaoh and his hosts followed them in insolence and spite. At length, when overwhelmed with the flood, he said: "I believe that there is no god except Him Whom the Children of Israel believe in: I am of those who submit (to Allah in Islam). (It was said to him): "Ah now!- But a little while before, wast thou in rebellion!- and thou didst mischief (and violence)! This day shall We save thee in the body, that thou mayest be a sign to those who come after thee! but verily, many among mankind are heedless of Our Signs!" (10:90-92).
Moses said, "Thou knowest well that these things have been sent down by none but the Lord of the heavens and the earth as eye-opening evidence: and I consider thee indeed, O Pharaoh, to be one doomed to destruction!" So he resolved to remove them from the face of the earth: but We did drown him and all who were with him," (17:102-103).
Is wine consumption good or bad?
O ye who believe! Intoxicants and gambling, (dedication of) stones, and (divination by) arrows, are an abomination,- of Satan's handwork: eschew such (abomination), that ye may prosper," (5:90).
(Here is) a Parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised: in it are rivers of water incorruptible; rivers of milk of which the taste never changes; rivers of wine, a joy to those who drink; and rivers of honey pure and clear. In it there are for them all kinds of fruits; and Grace from their Lord. (Can those in such Bliss) be compared to such as shall dwell for ever in the Fire, and be given, to drink, boiling water, so that it cuts up their bowels (to pieces)?" (47:15).
Truly the Righteous will be in Bliss: On Thrones (of Dignity) will they command a sight (of all things): Thou wilt recognize in their faces the beaming brightness of Bliss. Their thirst will be slaked with Pure Wine sealed," (83:22-25).

Anonymous said...

Quran.. the perfect book...

Internal Contradictions:
Who suffers loss if Muhammad was wrong? Sura 34:50 commands Muhammad to say, "If I go astray, I go astray only to my own loss," which is a severe factual error in the Qur'an as well as contradicting the teaching of the Qur'an in a number of other verses.
Allah, Adam, and the Angels. There are a great number of problems and inconsistencies between the several accounts of Adam's creation, Allah's command to prostrate before Adam, Satans refusal, etc.
Who Was the First Muslim? Muhammad [6:14, 163], Moses [7:143], some Egyptians [26:51], or Abraham [2:127-133, 3:67] or Adam, the first man who also received inspiration from Allah [2:37]?
Can Allah be seen and did Muhammad see his Lord? Yes [S. 53:1-18, 81:15-29], No [6:102-103, 42:51].
Were Warners Sent to All Mankind Before Muhammad? Allah had supposedly sent warners to every people [10:47, 16:35-36, 35:24], Abraham and Ishmael are specifically claimed to have visited Mecca and built the Kaaba [2:125-129]. Yet, Muhammad supposedly is sent to a people who never had a messenger before [28:46, 32:3, 34:44, 36:2-6]. This article also raises other issues: What about Hud and Salih who supposedly were sent to the Arabs? What about the Book that was supposedly given to Ishmael? Etc.
What will be the food for the people in Hell? The food for the people in Hell will be only "Dhari" [Sura 88:6], or only foul pus from the washing of wounds [S. 69:36], or will they also get to eat from the tree of Zaqqum [S. 37:66]? Together, these verses constitute three contradictions.
Can Angels Cause the Death of People? The Qur'an attacks those who worship anyone besides God (e.g. angels or prophets) because those can neither create, nor give life, nor cause anyone to die. Yet, the Qur'an explicitly states that one angel or several angels are causing certain people to die [Sura 4:97, 16:28, 32, 32:11].
Confusion Concerning Identity of the Spirit and Gabriel (a long discussion of dozens of references)
'Iddah rules for divorced and widowed women appear to be arbitrary and inconsistent.
Is there a minimum age of marriage for girls?
To Marry or Not to Marry? The Qur'an forbids believers to marry idolatrous women [Sura 2:221], and calls Christians idolaters and unbelievers [9:28-33], but still allows Muslims to marry Christian women [5:5].
Will it be accepted of them or not?
Will Allah reward the good deeds of Unbelievers? S. 9:17 and 9:69 clearly say no. However, S. 99:7 implies yes. Moreover, S. 2:62 promises Christians reward for their good deeds. But S. 9:28-33; 5:17, 72-73 calls Christians idolaters, and S. 9:17 is very clear that idolaters will have no reward.
Should Muslims Accept Peace or Not?
Fighting All People Until They Do What?
Can They Disbelieve in the Last Day and be Safe?
Should Muslims show kindness to their parents? On the one hand, the Quran commands all Muslims to show kindness to their parents, even if they are disbelievers [17:23-24, 31:14-15, 29:8, etc.]. On the other hand, it demands not to show any love or friendship to those who oppose Muhammad, even if they are their parents [9:23, 58:22].
Can one be a believer in God and oppose Muhammad at the same time?
How many mothers does a Muslim have? Only one [58:2, the woman who gave birth and none else], or two [4:23, including the mother who nursed him], or at least ten [33:6]?
And it just doesn't add up: Sura 4:11-12 and 4:176 state the Qur'anic inheritance law. When a man dies, and is leaving behind three daughters, his two parents and his wife, they will receive the respective shares of 2/3 for the 3 daughters together, 1/3 for the parents together [both according to verse 4:11] and 1/8 for the wife [4:12] which adds up to more than the available estate. A second example: A man leaves only his mother, his wife and two sisters, then they receive 1/3 [mother, 4:11], 1/4 [wife, 4:12] and 2/3 [the two sisters, 4:176], which again adds up to 15/12 of the available property.
How many angels were talking to Mary? When the Qur'an speaks about the announciation of the birth of Jesus to the virgin Mary, Sura 3:42,45 speaks about (several) angels while it is only one in Sura 19:17-21.
Further numerical discrepancies Does Allah's day equal to 1,000 human years (Sura 22:47, 32:5) or 50,000 human years (Sura 70:4)? --- According to Sura 56:7 there will be THREE distinct groups of people at the Last Judgement, but 90:18-19, 99:6-8, etc. mention only TWO groups. --- There are conflicting views on who takes the souls at death: THE Angel of Death [32:11], THE angels (plural) [47:27] but also "It is Allah that takes the souls (of men) at death." [39:42] Angels have 2, 3, or 4 pairs of wings [35:1]; but Gabriel had 600 wings. [Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 54, Number 455]
How many days did Allah need to destroy the people of Aad? One day [54:19] or several days [41:16; 69:6,7]
Six or eight days of creation? Sura 7:54, 10:3, 11:7, and 25:59 clearly state that God created "the heavens and the earth" in six days. But in 41:9-12 the detailed description of the creation procedure adds up to eight days.
Quick or Slow Creation? Allah creates the heavens and the earth in six days [7:54] and many Muslims want to be modern and scientific, and make that six eons, but then again, He creates instantaneously [2:117], "Be! And it is".
Heavens or Earth? Which was created first? First earth and then heaven [2:29], heaven and after that earth [79:27-30].
Calling together or ripping apart? In the process of creation heaven and earth were first apart and are called to come together [41:11], while 21:30 states that they were originally one piece and then ripped apart.
What was man created from? A blood clot [96:1-2], water [21:30, 24:45, 25:54], "sounding" (i.e. burned) clay [15:26], dust [3:59, 30:20, 35:11], nothing [19:67] and this is then denied in 52:35, earth [11:61], a drop of thickened fluid [16:4, 75:37]
Fully Detailed Or Incomplete? The Qur'an claims for itself to be (fully) detailed, that nothing is left out of the book [6:38, 6:114, 12:111, 16:89 etc.]. However there are plenty of important issues which are left unclear in the Qur'an. This article discusses the confusion found in the quranic statements on wine.
Worshiping the Same or a Different God? Muhammad is commanded to speak to the disbelievers: ... nor do you worship what I worship [109:3]. However, other verses in the Qur'an state clearly that those disbelieving his message are in fact worshiping the same God, Allah.
Did the Meccan Polytheist Believe That Allah Was The Supreme Being?
To Intercede or Not To Intercede? - That is the Question! The Qur'an makes contradictory statements whether on the Day of Judgment intercession will be possible. No: [2:122-123, 254; 6:51; 82:18-19; etc.]. Yes: [20:109; 34:23; 43:86; 53:26; etc.]. Each position can be further supported by ahadith.
Where is Allah and his throne? Allah is nearer than the jugular vein [50:16], but he is also on the throne [57:4] which is upon the water [11:7], and at the same time so far away, that it takes between 1,000 and 50,000 years to reach him [32:5, 70:4].
The origin of calamity? Is the evil in our life from Satan [38:41], Ourselves [4:79], or Allah [4:78]?
How merciful is Allah's mercy? He has prescribed mercy for himself [6:12], yet he does not guide some, even though he could [6:35, 14:4].
Does Allah command to do evil? No [7:28, 16:90]. Yes [17:16, ]. Two examples are also given, where Allah clearly commanded or permitted indecent actions [2:229-230, 2:187].
Should Muhammad Get Paid Or Shouldn’t He?
Will there be inquiry in Paradise? "neither will they question one another" [23:101] but nevertheless they will be "engaging in mutual inquiry" [52:25], "and they will ... question one another" [37:27].
Are angels protectors? "NO protector besides Allah" [2:107, 29:22]. But in Sura 41:31 the angels themselves say: "We are your protectors in this life and the Hereafter." And also in other suras is their role described as guarding [13:11, 50:17-18] and protecting [82:10].
Is Allah the only Wali? On the one hand, Allah is supposedly the only wali (protector, helper, friend) [9:116, 17:111, 32:4, 42:28], on the other hand, the messenger and the believers are walis [5:55, 9:71], Allah has walis [10:62], and he raises walis [4:75].
Does Allah Act Alone Or Does He Have Partners That Assist Him?
Is Allah the Only Judge or Not?
Are all obedient and prostrating to Allah? That is the claim in 16:49 and 30:26, but dozens of verses speak of the proud disobedience of Satan [7:11, 15:28-31, 17:61, 20:116, 38:71-74, 18:50] as well of many different human beings who reject His commands and His revelations.
Does Allah forgive shirk? Shirk is considered the worst of all sins, but the author of the Qur'an seems unable to decide if Allah will ever forgive it or not. No [4:48, 116], Yes [4:153, 25:68-71]. Abraham committed this sin of polytheism as he takes moon, sun, stars to be his Lord [6:76-78], yet Muslims believe that all prophets are without any sin.
The event of worship of the golden calf: The Israelites repented about worshipping the golden calf BEFORE Moses returned from the mountain [7:149], yet they refused to repent but rather continued to worship the calf until Moses came back [20:91]. Does Aaron share in their guilt? No [20:85-90], yes [20:92, 7:151].
Was Jonah cast on the desert shore or was he not? "Then We cast him on a desert shore while he was sick" [37:145] "Had not Grace from his Lord reached him, he would indeed have been cast off on the naked shore while he was reprobate." [68:49]
Moses and the Injil? Jesus is born more than 1,000 years after Moses, but in 7:157 Allah speaks to Moses about what is written in the Injil [the book given to Jesus].
Can slander of chaste women be forgiven? Yes [24:5], No [24:23].
How do we receive the record on Judgment Day? On Judgement day the lost people are given the Record (of their bad deeds): Behind their back [84:10], or in their left hand [69:25].
Can angels disobey? No angel is arrogant, they all obey Allah [16:49-50], but: "And behold, we said to the ANGELS: 'Bow down to Adam'. And THEY bowed down, EXCEPT Iblis. He refused and was haughty." [2:34].
Is Satan an angel or a jinn?
Three contradictions in 2:97 and 16:101-103 Who brings the revelation from Allah to Muhammad? The ANGEL Gabriel [2:97], or the Holy Spirit [16:102]? The new revelation confirms the old [2:97] or substitutes it [16:101]? The Qur'an is PURE Arabic [16:103] but there are numerous foreign, non-Arabic words in it.
Do not say, "Three"!? It is impossible to recite Sura 4:171 without transgressing the command contained in it.
The infinite loop problem Sura 26:192,195,196: "It (the Qur'an) is indeed a revelation from the Lord of the Worlds, ... in clear Arabic speech and indeed IT (the Qur'an) is in the writings of the earlier (prophets)." Now, the 'earlier writings' are the Torah and the Injil for example, written in Hebrew and Greek. HOW can an ARABIC Qur'an be contained in books of other languages? Furthermore, it would have to contain this very passage of the Qur'an since the Qur'an is properly contained in them. Hence these earlier writings have to be contained in yet other earlier writings and we are in an infinite loop, which is absurd.
Is the Torah like the Qur'an, or is it not? The Muslim claim of the corruption of the Bible leads to a contradiction between S. 2:24 and 17:88 on the one hand, and 28:49 and 46:10 on the other.
Should Jews and Christians follow the Bible or the Quran?
"An old woman" and God's character About the story of Lot: "So we delivered him and his family, - all exept an old woman who lingered behind." [Sura 26:170-171] And again: "But we saved him and his family, exept his wife: she was of those who lagged behind. [Sura 7:83]. Either this is a contradiction or if indeed Lot's wife is derogatorily called "an old woman" then this does not show much respect for her as a wife of a prophet.
More problems with the story of Lot "And his people gave NO answer but this: They said, "Drive them out of your city: these are indeed men who want to be clean and pure!" [Sura 7:82 & 27:56]. Yet: "But his people gave NO answer but this: They said: "Bring us the Wrath of Allah if thou tellest the truth." [Sura 29:29]. Obviously these answers are different.
The "pleasure" of Allah? Is God's action of punishment or mercy and guidance or misguidance arbitrary?
Did Abraham smash the idols? The accounts of Abraham, Suras 19:41-49, 6:74-83 differ quite a bit from Sura 21:51-59. While in Sura 21 Abraham confronts his people strongly, and even destroys the idols, in Sura 19 Abraham shuts up after his father threatens him to stone him for speaking out against the idols. And he seems not only to become silent, but even to leave the area ("turning away from them all").
What about Noah's son? According to Sura 21:76, Noah and his family is saved from the flood, and Sura 37:77 confirms that his seed survived. But Sura 11:42-43 reports that Noah's son drowns.
Was Noah driven out? "Before them *the people of Noah* rejected (their messenger): They rejected Our servant and said, 'Here is One possessed!' And he was driven out." [Sura 54:9] Now, if he is driven out [expelled from their country] how come they can scoff at him while he is building the ark since we read "Forthwith he (starts) constructing the Ark: Every time that the Chiefs of *his people* passed by him, they threw ridicule on him." [Sura 11:38] He cannot be both: Driven out and near enough that they can regularly pass by.
Pharaoh's Magicians: Muslims or Rejectors of Faith? Did the Magicians of Pharaoh, Egyptians, become believers in the God of Moses [7:103-126; 20:56-73; S. 26:29-51] or did only Israelites believe in Moses [10:83]?
Pharaoh's repentance in the face of death? According to Sura 10:90-92, Pharaoh repented "in the sight of death" and was saved. But Sura 4:18 says that such a thing can't happen.
Abrogation? "The words of the Lord are perfect in truth and justice; there is NONE who can change His words." [Sura 6:115] Also see 6:34 and 10:64. But then Allah (Muhammad?) sees the need to exchange some of them for "better ones" [Sura 2:106, 16:101]. And it is not for ignorant people to question Allah because of such practices!
Guiding to truth? "Say: 'God - He guides to the truth; and which is worthier to be followed ...?" [Sura 10:35] But how much is left over of this worthiness when we also read: "Allah leads astray whom he pleases, and he guides whom He pleases, ..." [Sura 14:4]. And how do we know in which of Allah's categories of pleasure we fall? How sure can a Muslim be that he is one of those guided right and not one of those led astray?
What is the punishment for adultery? Flogging with a 100 stripes (men and women) [24:2], "confine them to houses until death do claim them (lifelong house arrest - for the women) [4:15]. For men: "If they repent and amend, leave them alone" [4:16]. 24:2 contradicts both the procedure for women and men in Sura 4. And why is the punishment for women and men equal in Sura 24 but different in Sura 4?
How are the sexually immoral supposed to be punished?
Who suffers the consequence of sins? The Qur'an declares that everyone will be held responsible only for his own sins [S. 17:13-15, 53:38-42]. Yet, the Qur'an accuses the Jews of Muhammad's day for the sins committed some 2000 years earlier by other Jews, e.g. worshipping the Golden Calf idol.
Will Christians enter Paradise or go to Hell? Sura 2:62 and 5:69 say "Yes", Sura 5:72 (just 3 verses later) and 3:85 say "No".
God alone or also men? Clear or incomprehensible? The Qur'an is "clear Arabic speech." [16:103] Yet "NONE knows its interpretation, save only Allah." [3:7]. Actually, "men of understanding do grasp it." [3:7]
Was Pharaoh Drowned or Saved when chasing Moses and the Israelites? Saved [10:92], drowned [28:40, 17:103, 43:55].
When Commanded Pharaoh the Killing of the Sons? When Moses was a Prophet and spoke God's truth to Pharaoh [40:23-25] or when he was still an infant [20:38-39]?
When/how are the fates determined? "The night of power is better than a thousand months. The angels and spirit descend therein, by the permission of their Lord, with all decrees." [97:3,4] "Lo! We revealed it on a blessed night." [44:3] To Muslims, the "Night of Power" is a blessed night on which fates are settled and on which everything relating to life, death, etc., which occurs throughout the year is decreed. It is said to be the night on which Allah's decrees for the year are brought down to the earthly plane. In other words, matters of creation are decreed a year at a time. Contradicting this, Sura 57:22 says, "No affliction befalls in the earth or in your selves, but it is in a Book before we create it." This means it is written in the Preserved Tablet, being totally fixed in Allah's knowledge before anyone was created. All of the above is contradicted by "And every man's fate We have fastened to his own neck." This says that man alone is responsible for what he does and what happens to him. [17:13]
Wine: Good or bad? Strong drink and ... are only an infamy of Satan's handiwork. [5:90, also 2:219]. Yet on the other hand in Paradise are rivers of wine [47:15, also 83:22,25]. How does Satan's handiwork get into Paradise?
Good News of Painful Torture? Obviously, announcing torment and suffering to anyone is bad news, not good news. However, the Qur'an announces the good news of painful torment [3:21, 4:138, 9:3, 9:34, 31:7, 45:8, and 84:24].
Jinns and men created for worship or for Hell? Created only to serve God [Sura 51:56], many of them made for Hell [Sura 7:179].
Will all Muslims go to Hell? According to Sura 19:71 every Muslim will go to Hell (for at least some time), while another passage states that those who die in Jihad will go to Paradise immediately.
Will Allah disgrace Muslims? On the day of judgment Allah will not humiliate or disgrace the Prophet and those who believe in him [S. 66:8]. However, 19:71 says that everyone will enter Hell, and 3:192 states that whomsoever Allah sends to Hell, is disgraced thereby.
Will Jesus burn in Hell? Jesus is raised to Allah, [Sura 4:158], near stationed with him [Sura 3:45], worshiped by millions of Christians, yet Sura 21:98 says, that all that are worshiped by men besides Allah will burn in Hell together with those who worship them.
Is Jesus God or Not? In Sura 16:17, 20-21 and S. 25:3 we find a criterion to distinguish the true God from false gods. Yet, according to S. 3:49, 55, 4:157-158, 5:110, 6:2, and 38:71-72 Jesus satisfies the definition and should be considered true Deity.
Can there be a son without a consort? Allah cannot have a son without a consort [Sura 6:101], but Mary can have a son without a consort because that is easy for Allah [Sura 19:21].
Who is the father of Jesus? A more involved argument that is difficult to summarize in one sentence.
Begetting and Self-sufficiency A self-contradiction on account of confused terminology.
Could Allah have a son? Sura 39:4 affirms and Sura 6:101 denies this possibility.
Did Jesus Die already? Sura 3:144 states that all messengers died before Muhammad. But 4:158 claims that Jesus was raised to God (alive?).
One Creator or many? The Qur'an uses twice the phrase that Allah is "the best of creators" [23:14, 37:125]. What other creators are in mind? On the other hand, many verses make clear that Allah alone is "the creator of all things" [e.g. 39:62]. There is nothing left for others to be a creator of.
From among all nations or from Abraham's seed? Sura 29:27 states that all prophets came Abraham's seed. But 16:36 claims that Allah raised messengers from among every people.
Marrying the wives of adopted sons? It is important that Muslims can marry the divorced wives of adopted sons [Sura 33:37], yet it is forbidden to adopt sons [Sura 33:4-5].
Messengers were never sent to other than their own people? So it is claimed in Sura 14:4 and 30:47. However, the Bible and the Qur'an, and the Muslim traditions confirm that Jonah was sent to a different nation.
Messengers Were Sent Only to Their Own People? Sura 14:4 states that never was a messenger sent except in the language of his own people. Yet, the Quran itself claims that Jesus is supposed to be a sign to all people, that the Torah and Gospel are for all people, that Moses was sent to Pharaoh of Egypt, and that Muhammad is sent to all of mankind. The hadith also claim that Noah was sent to "the inhabitants of the earth".
Messengers Amongst the Jinns and Angels? Allah sent only men as messengers [Suras 12:109, 21:7-8, 25:20-21] but there seemingly are messengers from Jinns and Angels [6:130; 11:69,77; 22:75; etc., see article for details].
Do all of God's messengers eat food?
A Messenger from among the beasts? Allah sent only men as messengers [Suras 12:109, 21:7-8, 25:20-21]. Yet, the Qur'an also speaks about a beast that is a messenger from Allah to men [S. 27:82].

Freethinker said...

In the Qur'an we find the following statements about the moon and the stars:


He Who created the seven heavens, one above the other ...
And We have adorned the lowest heaven with lamps ... (67:3,5)
And He completed them seven heavens in two days
and inspired in each heaven its command;
and We adorned the lower heaven with lamps,
and rendered it guarded... (41:12)

We have indeed adorned the lower heaven with the beauty of the stars. (37:6)

Do you not see how God has created the seven heavens
one above the other,
and made the moon a light in their midst,
and made the sun as a lamp? (71:15-16)

Well.. it is up to you guys to believe Allah. If you've ever seen the sky you would understand that the stars are billions of times farther from us compared to the sun or the moon. But Allah is mistaken and is telling us that the stars are in the lower sky. What lower sky? Between His Holy Thighs?

Now you can see that it was not only Mohamed who was illiterate, Allah is also illiterate and devoid of any common sense. Because even a thousand years before Mohamed, Ptolomy and others have already made clear hypotheses and models of the universe in which stars are far from us than the sun and the moon, and the just a desolate satelite of the earth with no light of its own. But unfortunately the illiterate Mohamed missed it. Holy Moon.

Anonymous said...

For all those who think that by following their own whims and fancies is going to make them exempt from judgement after your death!!

Think again....whatever we do or whoever we follow,no matter how much we earn or how famous we become,or how poor we are,no matter whom we idolise, or who we strive to be..
DEATH is a fact and science has no explanations for what becomes of us after death.
For those who believe in a Hereafter and a judgement from the Almighty Creator, all strive to please the Almighty and hope for an everlasting peace among the favoured people in the next life.
But what of those who do not believe in the Creator?
They have their way of dealing with death.
If these people who follow their own logic and think that they will never be resurrected, I wonder what happens if they are wrong?

Freethinker said...

Smart Ass...
If you can beat this,...

(4:78) ".... If some good befalls them, they say "This is from Allah". But if evil, they say "This is from thee" (O prophet). Say: "All things are from Allah....."

(4:79) "Whatever good, (O man!) happens to thee, is from Allah. But whatever evil happens to thee, is from thyself"

Anonymous said...

Hey Freethinkers who think they are thinking their own thoughts when they are in reality following people who handle them like puppets!

If you think you are so free, I do not understand why you have to prove to us that our belief is wrong...
If you are so sure of what you believe, why do you need to slander everyone else who does not follow you or accept your thought...
If you are assured of the Hereafter then why do you need to prove that it doesnt exist...
If you are so free, how is it that you need to follow people who themslves are confused in their own beliefs...
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And yes I am the one quoting the Quran with no other comments,
I believe and I submit to Allah the Most Merciful and I testify that Muhammad (Peace be Upon him)is the last and final messenger.
I believe that we will all be resurrected One day and on that you will not be there to help me,hence I do not follow you nor will I be helping you so do not follow me...
Learn,research,read and ponder the signs all around us, the whole universe itself running as it is without a fault,havent you wondered if there was more than One Creator,how many mistakes would there be?Would not the Sun and other planets crash into each other?Will not the earth run out of oxygen?
Havent you wondered if there was more than One Creator, then we humans beings will not have such perfect body systems?!
This is the reason I quote the Quran with no other comment as in it is many things if you really think about it wihtout prejudice you will find it is true (but then some will believe while others buy the world at the price of the Hereafter)
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Quran Sûrah 69 ayat 26-
"And that I had never known, how my Account is?
"I wish, would that it had been my end (death)!
"My wealth has not availed me,
"My power and arguments (to defend myself) have gone from me!"
(It will be said): "Seize him and fetter him,
Then throw him in the blazing Fire.
"Then fasten him with a chain whereof the length is seventy cubits!"
Verily, He used not to believe in Allâh, the Most Great,
And urged not on the feeding of AlMiskîn (the poor),[1]
So no friend has he here this Day,"

Anonymous said...

Some links for those who think science has all the answers....the scientists are trying, but as the Universe was Created by the Almighty, the All knowing,
we will only find knowledge that is available (as Allah wills )to us and nothing more....

http://www.jupiterscientific.org/sciinfo/cosmology/fourproblems.html#solution

http://www.jupiterscientific.org/sciinfo/cosmology/grgravity.html#b


http://www.innovations-report.de/html/berichte/bildung_wissenschaft/bericht-46048.html


After reading the material provided on the links, do think it over and wonder to yourself....
Did all things on this universe just create by itself???

Freethinker said...

Dear Anonymous.

Hindus say that Brahman is the creator, Muslims say
That Allah is creator, Christians say that the creator is
Jehovah, all say that the creation is this entire world.
If Hindus say that Brahman created India, and if
Muslims say that Allah created Arabian countries and
If Christians say that Jehovah created the western countries,
The problem is solved, there can be three Gods together,
Who have created the three parts of the earth separately.

In order to understand Who created the universe, follow the links below:

http://www.lordkrishna.info/krishna/2007/03/20/why-did-god-create-this-universe/

http://www.access-jesus.com/god-created-the-universe.html

http://www.freebsd.nfo.sk/ganesheng.htm

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/11/7/20290/8095

Well, I think if you read the above links you will find that it was not Allah who created the universe. It was either Krishna, or Ganesh or Jesus, or Jehova or most probably the Flying Spaghetti Monster (FSM) who created the universe, earth, life, you and me.

My question is, when we have such irrefutable PROOF of creation why do you still deny the TRUTH? Are you not afraid of the torments that are awaiting you in the heavenly abode after you die? Are you not scared of the torture chambers of His Hoy Noodley Apandage of FSM? You better be, because there is absolute proof that FSM created the universe and he is the only TRUE god. Your Allah is a false god.

The difference between me and you is that I believe just one god less, and you believe just one god too many.

Challenge me using logic and reason, not your dirty muck.

Dhivehi Christian said...

Some Muslim said "If you are so sure of what you believe, why do you need to slander everyone else who does not follow you or accept your thought..."

I say to Muslim: "If you are so sure of what you believe, why do you need to kill or subdue everyone else who does not follow you or accept your thought..."?

Mohamed did or tried to do. Don't you? If so why? If not why not?

Freethinker said...

It was said that "Nun" refers to A GREAT WHALE that rides on the currents of the waters of the great ocean AND ON ITS BACK IT CARRIES THE SEVEN EARTHS, as was stated by Imam Abu Jafar Ibn Jarir. Narrated by Ibn Bashar, narrated by Yahya, narrated by Sufyan Al-Thuri, narrated by Sulayman Al-Amash, narrated by Abu Thubian, narrated by Ibn Abbas who related, "The first thing that Allah created was the pen and He said to it ‘Write’. The pen asked, ‘What shall I write?’ Allah said, ‘Write (the) fate (of everything).’ So the pen wrote everything that shall be from that moment until judgment day.

Then Allah created the "Nun" and He caused steam to rise out of which the heavens were created AND THE EARTH WAS THEN LAID FLAT ON THE NUN’S BACK. Then the Nun became nervous and (as a result) the earth began to sway, but (Allah) fastened (the earth) with mountains lest the earth should move ...

It was narrated by Ibn Jarir, narrated by Ibn Hamid, narrated by Ata’a, narrated by Abu Al-Dahee, narrated by Ibn Abbas who stated, "The first thing my Lord created, may He be Exalted and Glorified, was the pen and He said to it, ‘Write.’ So the pen wrote all that will be until judgment day. Then Allah created the Nun (the whale) above the waters AND HE PRESSED THE EARTH INTO ITS BACK.

Al Tabarani narrated the same hadith above (from the prophet Muhammad) who narrated from Abu Habib Zaid Al-Mahdi Al Marouzi, narrated by Sa’id Ibn Yaqub Al-Talqani, narrated by Mu’amal Ibn Ismail, narrated by Hamad Ibn Zaid, narrated by Ata’a Ibn Al Sa’ib, narrated by Abu Al Dahee Muslim Ibn Subaih, narrated by Ibn Abbas who stated that the prophet – may peace and blessing be upon him and his family - said, "The first things Allah created were the pen and the whale and He said to the pen ‘Write.’ The pen asked, ‘What shall I write?’ Allah replied, ‘Everything that shall be until judgment day.’ Then He said ‘Nun. By the Pen and by what they write.’ So Nun is the whale and al-Qalam is the pen" ...

Ibn Abu Nujaih stated that Ibrahim Ibn Abu Bakir was informed by Mujahid who said, "It was said that Nun is the great whale WHO IS UNDERNEATH THE SEVEN EARTHS." Furthermore, Al-Baghawy – may Allah rest his soul - and a group of commentators stated that on the back of this whale there is a great rock whose thickness is greater than the width of the heavens and the earth and above this rock is A BULL THAT HAS FORTY THOUSAND HORNS. On the body of this bull are placed the seven earths and all that they contain, and Allah knows best.

Anonymous said...

http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/1221/nagoooql6.png

Anonymous said...

If Jesus or Mohamed were around today they would have been dignosed as Paranoid Schizophrenics. Schizophrenia causes its victims to lose touch with reality. They often begin to hear, see, or feel things that aren't really there (hallucinations) or become convinced of things that simply aren't true (delusions). In the paranoid form of this disorder, they develop delusions of persecution or personal grandeur. The first signs of paranoid schizophrenia usually surface between the ages of 15 and 34. Among the signs are: Confusion, Inability to make decisions, Hallucinations, Changes in eating or sleeping habits, energy level, or weight, Delusions, Nervousness, Strange statements or behavior, Withdrawal from friends, work, Neglect of personal hygiene, Anger, Indifference to the opinions of others, A tendency to argue, A conviction that they are better than others, or that people are out to get them

Anonymous said...

What has happened to all the folks who participated in this debate?

Anonymous said...

"free"thiker have said this. For the ignorant Muslim who has never read his own Koran.. see a few verses here that claims the earth is flat.

Sura 51:48"And the Earth - we have stretched it out like a carpet; and how smoothly have we spread it forth."

Let me make it clear. When u tell this also makes we feel that u dont have any logic and don't understand anything. You see, are telling that the Quraan says that the earth is flat, because it says the earth is streched like a carpet? Dont u ignorant people know that even in a huge spherical shape can be like a carpet?

I m not going to say anything further, its gonna be useless. But all the contradictions u claim in the quran has been answered by many people. There is no single contradiction in Quran.

Also why aren't u seeing the hundred and one contradictions in your bible? Also there are lots of bad words in it! First read that!

Freethinker said...

I must thank Anonymous for opening my eyes to the fact that one needs to be totally insane to understand Quran. When the Quran says the earth is FLAT, we must be so "logical" to believe that Allah means something else when he says flat. What a stupid god is Allah that he does not understand clear communication. If he created the earth and knows that earth is spherical, why did he not say so. Why take all the pains to say it is flat and then ask the mornoic muslim mullahs to tell us that the Almighty is actually trying to say it is round. Why did Allah say that the stars are in the lower sky and the sun and the moon are in the upper sky? Does he really mean it? Why did Allah say that he created the mountains to control earthquakes?

Your Allah would hardly get 5% in a basic science exam.

As for your claims about the bible, I wouldn't care less, because I don't believe the Bible either and I am not a christian. I am just an ordinary Maldivian who was forced to "believe" in the moon god of Arabia.

Anonymous said...

Free thinker said "I must thank Anonymous for opening my eyes to the fact that one needs to be totally insane to understand Quran. When the Quran says the earth is FLAT, we must be so "logical" to believe that Allah means something else when he says flat."
My response: Did u see the word flat in the verse or verses u quoted? did u? i can't see it? So how can u say that that u have to be totally insane! Also bear in mind that Allaah does every action with wisdoms. He has sent Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him)to teach the Quran. The details are not mentioned in Quran, rather we have to get details from the AUTHENTIC sunnah of the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him)!!!

Free thinker: "What a stupid god is Allah that he does not understand clear communication."

My response: U r the one who is stupid! As u can see words which doesn't exist in a sentence.

Free thinker:"If he created the earth and knows that earth is spherical, why did he not say so. Why take all the pains to say it is flat and then ask the mornoic muslim mullahs to tell us that the Almighty is actually trying to say it is round. Why did Allah say that the stars are in the lower sky and the sun and the moon are in the upper sky? Does he really mean it? Why did Allah say that he created the mountains to control earthquakes?

Your Allah would hardly get 5% in a basic science exam."

My response:Infact he does say that earth is spherical.
"Seest thou not that Allah merges Night into Day
And He merges Day into Night?
[AI-Qur'an 31:29]

Merging here means that the night slowly and gradually changes to day and vice versa. This phenomenon can only take place if the earth is spherical. If the earth was flat, there would have been a sudden change from night to day and from day to night.

"He created the heavens And the earth In true (proportions):
He makes the Night Overlap the Day, and the Day Overlap the Night."
[AI-Qur'an 39:5]
The Arabic word used here is Kawwara meaning 'to overlap' or 'to coil'- the way a turban is wound around the head. The overlapping or coiling of the day and night can only take place if the earth is spherical.

The earth is not exactly round like a ball, but geo-spherical i.e. it is flattened at the poles. The following verse contains a description of the earth's shape:
"And the earth, moreover, Hath He made egg shaped."
[AI-Qur'an 79:30]

The Arabic word for egg here is dahaha1 which means an ostrich-egg. The shape of an ostrich-egg resembles the geo-spherical shape of the earth.

Thus the Qur'an correctly describes the shape of the earth, though the prevalent notion when the Qur'an was revealed was that the earth is flat.

Therefore u are the one who is insane!

Secondly about the sun and sky, i haven't examined that, u haven't given reference either. However u can get answers from www.answering-christianity.com.

Lastly who are u to judge Allaah the Almighty after misinterpretting Quran with an insane mind?

Free thinker said:As for your claims about the bible, I wouldn't care less, because I don't believe the Bible either and I am not a christian. I am just an ordinary Maldivian who was forced to "believe" in the moon god of Arabia.

My response: dont believing in the bible is good on u! So u are an athiest! isn't it? Click this link where it is proved that there is a God! http://saif_w.tripod.com/interfaith/general/god/inatheism.htm
Secondly who forced u to believe a mood god form Arabia? What nonsense? We do not believe that sun, moon, trees are god. We believe in one GOD (Allaah), who ever associates anyone with him is not a muslim!!! even if some muslims try to force u, they are against Quran, as it says that we cannot force. So dont blame Quran and religion, blame the people who does that!

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Anonymous said...

003.084 QURAN
Say: "We believe in Allah, and in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and in (the Books) given to Moses, Jesus, and the prophets, from their Lord: We make no distinction between one and another among them, and to him(Allah) we have submitted.

Anonymous said...

QURAN 3.85
And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers.

Anonymous said...

JESUS(PEACE B UPON HIM) DID NOT DIE ON DA CROSS.

WHO REALLY DIED ON THE CROSS??

http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=4&tid=12730

Anonymous said...

tired of commenting on ur topics..when are u goin to stop typin these??

and by the way..are those 2 ppl in that video u and ur brother?? or u ppl's new dummy to keep in church??

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